Answer to question on predestination on r/Calvinism

Rewording predestination doesn’t change it. God also uses the words “appoint” and “chosen”, “choose”, “determined” etc. to point out a pre-planned event and lifestyle and spiritual state on particular individuals. God forces belief as a matter of personal experience from having heard the Word of God and in knowing Him as Truth. So God “makes Calvinists believe in pre-determined salvation and pre-determined damnation.

The mere fact that prophecy exists as God speaking future events into existence also proves predestination/God choosing/God forcing.

Here is another God-forced action by His Speech: non free will, non robotic, non experimental obedience: God Speaks, He is His Word, He is the command as Spirit and performs it in us on our behalf. If he had not known the prophet before he was a prophet, exactly how would he have found him to make him a prophet? Observe in Christ:

The glory of the Lord has appeared to Ezekiel ..to Ezekiel ..to Ezekiel..not someone else..you would go so far as to think God simultaneously already knew Ezekiel and how to find him and that God already wanted to make Ezekiel a prophet without any input or prior knowledge or “power to be a prophet” of Ezekiel in the least. I.E. God had predestined Ezekiel to be who he was and where he was to make him a prophet when God wanted:

The prophet has fallen on his face at the glory of God and cannot get up.

Let’s rehearse a favorite lie of free willers at this point: “If God told me to do something and I didn’t have the power ( can be understood as “enough foreknowledge to make a “decision” “) to do what he said, and yet He punished me for not having done it, that wouldn’t be fair. We know God is fair, so we have free will and cannot be constrained by “predestination”.

That is a purpose of speech argument in favor of human/non-creating speech, which cannot create even one thing and which God has cursed. The fake purpose of speech for human speech is, paraphrased, “a tool to communicate will-neutral stuff as fodder for the free will to act on”. Note the reactionary mode that leaves the hearer of said words inside of: has no need for cognizance of a before-time-of-hearing coming together of circumstances converging on the hearer. Everything has the appearance of happenstance IN ORDER for the hearer to “feel unconstrained” as if not in any circumstances at all to keep saying “I’ve got free will. What predestination?” It appears that way precisely because human speech cannot create anything, so speech events seem like throw-away episodes that particularly don’t effect the future so each speaking event seems to be arrived at fresh and “unconstrained” by converging circumstances. over…and over…and over.

That is why the nonregenerate, those inside of human speech and not in Christ, don’t like predestination: their speech is a living spirit hat can’t create anything and which seeks to hide that fact by giving men the experience of speech as noted above that seems to always be happenstance.

But those in Jesus Christ/Word of God/Creating Speech know God as Word, know there is no happenstance and that in every way God forces convergence of circumstances He has made in order to bless us and to destroy His enemies. Predestination is the word that describes God creating the things that then converge to “happen to us”. They are not out of nowhere: we are not free will “do” as we like.

So observe God’s Word in the prophet, forcing the prophet to be a Son of Man as a brother to Christ by merely calling him “Son of Man” and forcing him to do something as simple as standing up from a physical fallen position:

  1. God arrives at exact location to a creature He has made and named and placed in a physical location to make it a prophet ( God had a plan already in place concerning the prophet ) in accordance and in coordination with all His other plans. God is not “reacting in surprise” –ever.
  2. God gives the command. God as His Own Word and Spirit IS the command.
  3. God as Spirit/Word enters the prophet and performs what He Speaks thus forcing obedience without any resemblance to a “robot” or experimentation on the part of the prophet ( target hearer of the Word Spoken) as to what “stand on thy feet” might theoretically mean in order to experimentally comply

Eze 2:1  And he said unto me, Son of man, stand upon thy feet, and I will speak unto thee. 

Eze 2:2  And the spirit entered into me when he spake unto me, and set me upon my feet, that I heard him that spake unto me. 

Boom. Ezekiel is now a doer of the Word and not a hearer only and is standing, having declared specifically he has “heard him that spake unto me”.

That is an example of predestination in action, which word “predestination” God mentions in Paul as a general truth for us. Paul was reading the Old Testement in the Holy Spirit to make plain God’s plan for us and that there is in fact a plan from which we cannot deviate.

In Christ, we went the long way around because generally, when someone asks “do Calvinists get their belief from this verse or that verse”, what immediately follows is a attempt to undermine the meaning of the words in that verse on which the supposed Calvinistic belief stands or falls. NonCalvinists do that as human speech does it through them continually as supposed “new’ or “deeper” “scholarship”. But predestination is demonstrated as a fact through out the Holy Scriptures and in our lives quite beyond the few passages in which God explicitly points it out with the word “predestinated”. So do not be deceived by fake “new scholarship” ploys to undermine particular idealized “proof texts”.

So: yes, we are told verbatim in Ephesians 1 that there is such a thing as predestination by use of the word “predestinated” as well as in Romans 8:29, 30..in Ephesians 1 as well of the timing of our being chosen in Him, our predestiny’s beginning event: before the foundation of the world, before the constant convergence of pre planned events as details that force the next event.

Eph 1:3  Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: 

Eph 1:4  According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: 

Eph 1:5  Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, 

Rom 8:29 Because whom he has foreknown, he has also predestinated to be conformed to the image of his Son, so that he should be the firstborn among many brethren.

Rom 8:30 But whom he has predestinated, these also he has called; and whom he has called, these also he has justified; but whom he has justified, these also he has glorified.

Also in First Thessalonians the word “appointed” for suffering for the Name of Jesus Christ is used:

1Thess_3:3  That no man should be moved by these afflictions: for yourselves know that we are appointed thereunto.

also in James 2 we are told God has ” chosen” the most of His elect to be of a certain economic strata ( where they were placed by Him and kept by Him in those circumstances to be saved from within them by Him )

Jas 2:5  Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him? 

also in First Peter that those who stumble at the Word of God and misuse it have been “appointed” to do so..forced by God.

1Peter 2:7  Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,  2:8  And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. 

We are also told in Jude that those who hate Christians/Calvinists and pervert the Gospel into a mere tool of the lie of free will as accusation were marked out for that damnation long ago ( as pre-destifying them..my sense of humor ) :

Jude 1:4  For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. 

God also says “determined” as making wicked people act wickedly:

Act 4:27,28  For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,  4:28  For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done. 

So: predestination, chosen, appointed, determined..all the same. It’s going to go according to God’s plan and that’s it.

Job 14:14  If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come. 

Hope this helps.

Inside the Name Jesus Christ, Amen

The Two Determinisms as bullet points side by side

One always hears the opposite of free will is determinism. But what is never said or presented is that the determinism presented as the opposite of free will is so presented specifically to make any alternative to free will appear onerous and emotionally hideous as a prod to driving the heart back to free will when the cracks of the lie of free will are clearly seen. In addition the non-creating determinism is used by false flag Christianity as free will’s supposed opposite to ridicule the true Gospel of Jesus Christ. Without the lie of free will, as the religious arm of the secular lie of free will, the false pastor or priest cannot look successful by the means of many persons supposedly publicly demonstrating a free will by “choosing Jesus”.

If one starts to see through the deception of free will, one begins to question the other definitions on which free will rests and they clearly see it has always been a lie to which they were delivered and which is now being taken from them as the grace of God in Jesus Christ. That particular version of determinism relies on all the same definitions that make free will look plausible in human speech/non-creating speech.

God’s actual determinism is Creating: His works were finished from the foundation of the world and total realty yet He is in every way intimately involved and creates us in particular within and as an addition to His other finished works and says so: Isaiah_48:7  They are created now, and not from the beginning; even before the day when thou heardest them not; lest thou shouldest say, Behold, I knew them.

The purpose of the video is to encapsulate some distinctives between the non-creating determinism presented as a most useful tool of non-creating speech in the lie of free will and the Creating Determinism of Creating Speech/Jesus Christ/Almighty God/Jehovah/I AM.

Be blessed in the grace of Jesus Christ

Inside the Name and Speech of God, Jesus Christ, Amen

Pre-Incarnate Christ was our native Speech in the Garden of Eden: the Fall was “obtaining” what is now human speech and the loss of the Word of God. Word of God as Speech regained in new birth in Jesus Christ

Pre-Incarnate Christ was our native Speech in the Garden of Eden: the Fall was “obtaining” what is now human speech and the loss of the Word of God, regained in new birth in Jesus Christ

God creates what He Speaks.

Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Many instances of God’s Word creating what He speaks..us as new creatures for instance.

Turning non-gods into gods by simply calling them gods:

Psalm 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

And then Incarnate Word of God/Jesus Christ referencing Psalm 81:6 as Himself in His former pre-Incarnate form:

John 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, ( the only reason they were gods was because the Word of God came..to them) and the scripture cannot be broken; 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? ( they fundamentally did not know of the existence of a separate Word of God than human speech because they were inside human speech/serpent speech after the Fall as the Fall ..even though He is standing in front of them and speaking to them, yet His Word has no entrance to them ( John 8:37 I know that ye are Abraham’s seed; but ye seek to kill me, because my word hath no place in you…Darby has “word has no entrance into you”..both fit with (John 8:43-47 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word. 8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not. 8:46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me? 8:47 He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.)

more God as Word creating what He Speaks..to us

1 Peter 1:23-25 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away: ..25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.

Then we find that God IS His Word, He doesn’t “use language” as a separate tool from Himself as is the idealization of language in the lie of free will of men) :

John 1:1-4 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.2 The same was in the beginning with God.3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

An overlooked proof of God being His Word/Spirit, to which Incarnate Christ makes reference in John 6:63 (John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.)

is Ezekiel 2:1,2 where we see the very Words as commands of God entering the prophet and performing the command as Spirit in non-free will, non-experimental and non-robotic obedience, the essence and definition of Christian obedience; being a doer of the Word and not a hearer only, and as making the prophet a Son of Man, new creature/brother to Jesus Christ ( other references to being a brother of God ..the name Joah, son of Aspah (Joah (Hebrew: יוֹאָח) is a Hebrew masculine given name, which means “Yahu is his brother” or “God is his brother.”)

Ezekiel 2:1 And he said unto me, Son of man, stand upon thy feet, and I will speak unto thee. 2 And the spirit entered into me when he spake unto me, and set me upon my feet, that I heard him that spake unto me.

Also, less explicit but as demonstrated the Word spoken having an immediate creating effect as entering and performing what is Said by Word of God thru the angel:

Daniel 10:18,19 Then there came again and touched me one like the appearance of a man, and he strengthened me, 10:19 And said, O man greatly beloved, fear not: peace be unto thee, be strong, yea, be strong. And when he had spoken unto me, I was strengthened, and said, Let my lord speak; for thou hast strengthened me.

Ezekiel 10:2 And he spake unto the man clothed with linen, and said, Go in between the wheels, even under the cherub, and fill thine hand with coals of fire from between the cherubims, and scatter them over the city. And he went in in my sight.

Explicitly making note of the creating power that He IS as His Word and His effect on us by Speaking to us:

again:

1Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

And

James 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

and

1Corinthians 4:15 For though ye have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus ( Creating Word of God ) I have begotten you through the gospel. ( and again in 1 Peter 1:22-25..born again..by the Word of God.. this is the Word which by the gospel is preached unto you.)

Plainly we have God as His Own Word and not “using language” as a tool separate from Himself and the effect of His Speaking the sending forth of Himself as Spirit doing the exact thing He spoke either in us or in others or in the wind or sea or any part of His creation.

How then do we see that in the first Adam?

Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. ( Adam then named and understood the Serpent as Satan as God did it through him as his Speech ) 2:20 And Adam gave names to all cattle, and to the fowl of the air, and to every beast of the field; but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.

But how do we know directly that preIncarnate Christ was our native speech and not as indirect proofs of God-as-Word in Adam?

The Incarnate Word of God Himself again makes reference to Himself in preIncarnate form as directly having spoken through Adam:

Adam speaks the law of marriage; God directly says this:

Genesis 2:23 And ADAM said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

Christ/Word of God, Jesus Christ ( who made all there is ( John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.) in flesh making reference to His very former utterance in Adam as having made that utterance of the law of marriage and repeating it:

Matthew 19:4,5 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 19:5 AND SAID for this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

**Note also “leave his father..” as the creating Word of God..Adam subsequently left his Father and clung to his wife, excepting that his wife then had a different speech than the Word of God, the speech of the serpent as an evil spirit having entered her unbeknownst to her. His Father was also the Word of God (Psalm 45:16 Instead of thy fathers shall be thy children, whom thou mayest make princes in all the earth.) who made Him..he left the Word of God for the speech of his wife which was the speech of the serpent..he left Creating Speech/Word of God for non-creating speech/anti-Word of God/anti-Christ.

**The common unspoken pretense of those who deny Christ as the Word of God distinct from human speech is that there is supposedly just one big meta speech that God, Satan, the demons and Man share and that God is powerful in some other way than His Word rather than in His Word and Presence. In implicitly denying the distinctness of the Creating Word of God from non-creating human speech ( which God confounded at the attempt to build the tower at Babel, but did not confound Himself as Word ), they hide much from men and even from young Christians whose ‘theology’ is just the common sense of a noncreating language constructed into dogmas about God. They completely then miss that to be IN Christ/Word of God is to be outside of human speech / completely separated from the speech of sin/anti-Word of God/anti-Christ. They have no conception of being in or out of a language because they have been deceived in the lie of free will, ( as all their definitions of life have been made with slavish reverence to making the lie of free will look plausible ) that ‘language’ ..always the singular noun to make it seem there is only one language in total reality.. can only be a tool of the free will and therefore while definable in various ways within that lie, anything except a spirit that becomes flesh. Language, to fit within the parameters of the lie of free will’s easiest to make definitions and dogmas needs to be nonliving and thus most emotionally obvious as ‘controllable’/powerless enough to be useful to an idealized free will. In those dogmas of possible definitions of the idealized singular meta “language”, there is then a blind ear and eye to the truth of the switching of speaks in Man from one language, the Creating Word of God to non-creating serpent speech. Definitions of a singular idealized meta language prohibits understanding what languages really are: spirits. ..Spirit and life if God, spirits of lies if not-God words. In that fog of blindness one routinely encounters no mention whatsoever of the origins of human speech other than the ridiculous self-evolution as a usable tool made by man to fit with the lie of free will and certainly no mention of another speech which man lost and which became flesh and died to get him back or of the eons long fight between those two languages over Man.

Undo..undo..undo..

1Jn 3:8 He that practises sin is of the devil; for from the beginning the devil sins. To this end the Son of God has been manifested, that he might undo the works of the devil. (Darby..KJV has “destroy the works..” which is accomplished in human speech/anti-Christ thrown into the lake of fire..the death of human speech ..each version has its own light..I usually use the KJV)

Isaiah_58:6 Is not this the fast that I have chosen? to loose the bands of wickedness, to undo the heavy burdens, and to let the oppressed go free, and that ye break every yoke?

Zephaniah_3:19 Behold, at that time I will undo all that afflict thee: and I will save her that halteth, and gather her that was driven out; and I will get them praise and fame in every land where they have been put to shame.

Zephaniah 3:9 For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent.

Returning to the Garden:

We have Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden, with pre Incarnate Christ as their speech, naked, part of Adam’s job to guard the way to the Tree of life and Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Recall that Incarnate Christ says “ Matthew 17:20 And he says to them, Because of your unbelief; for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed , ye shall say to this mountain, Be transported hence there, and it shall transport itself; and nothing shall be impossible to you. “. Therefore all Adam had to do was Speak/be spoken through by the Word of God to do away with any threat..didn’t need clothes, weapons, armies, etc.

The serpent knows this. How to get what he wants? Corrupt the speech of the Adam. Means? The devils own speech, which is lies and powerlessness whose name is Belial. ( 2Corinthians 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial ( human speech ) ? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? ( what do we have to do with those in human speech except the gospel of Jesus Christ and the will of the Word of God)

The serpent’s/dragon’s/devil’s..

(Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,..Eze 28:12 Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.)

..speech entered Eve as a spirit and the instant it does, she starts speaking against the Word of God by adding to what God Said and making it look onerous and unjust to her new emotions dictated by her new spirit:

Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? 3:2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. 3:4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

  1. All she had ever heard up to that point was the Word of God and probably imagined it to be the only speech in total reality, thus sensing no danger from the serpents speech.1 Timothy 2:13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

“..THE transgression..”

Seeing that Adam was not deceived, why then did he eat?

The command of God in the law of marriage: he left his Father and clung to his wife..per the creating Word of God.

Why then is Adam judged, seeing he was under the power of God and God forced him to Fall away?

It is important not to forget that God judged human speech as anti-Christ at that moment, as well as later and makes specific reference to “the voice of thy wife”.

Note as well that Adam was afterward afraid of the Word of God as an outsider, which had departed from him, as when Samson’s strength departed from him on cutting his hair against the Word of God:

Gen 3:9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou? 3:10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself. 3:11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat? 3:12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. 3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat. 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

One of the most important verses in the Bible: “who told thee”..”who told thee thou are naked”? It wasn’t God as Word, the Speech that is not Adam is afraid of and seems alien to him. That only leaves one other: the speech not-God that can’t create anything combined with the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil: anti-Word of God, that called God a liar through the serpent.

Now Adam can’t guard the tree or the Garden any more because Adam’s new speech covets the tree of life now having obtained the knowledge of good and evil so God has to place another guard:

Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

This was a mercy of God, as was God’s later confounding of that speech at the attempt to build the tower at Babel.

Genesis 11:1-9 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech. 11:2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they dwelt there. 11:3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick, and burn them throughly. And they had brick for stone, and slime had they for morter. 11:4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth. 11:5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. 11:7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech. 11:8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all the earth: and they left off to build the city. 11:9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because the LORD did there confound the language of all the earth: and from thence did the LORD scatter them abroad upon the face of all the earth.

Note as well the fear human speech has for the Voice of God and equates Man hearing God with its own death in Israel:

Exodus 20:19 And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.

Human speech/anti-Word of God sees it own death in our new birth by hearing the Word of God. We are then dead to sin, the speech that dwells in our flesh and fights against the Holy Spirit/Word of God in us.

Notes:

Language speaking to Language in front of us:

God further speaks to that serpent/dragon speech as judging it, Creating Language speaking to non-creating language ( not to us ) but in front of us and through one of us, the prophets:

Nah 1:11 ( To us ) There is one come out of thee, that imagineth evil against the LORD, a wicked counsellor. 1:12 Thus saith the LORD; Though they be quiet, and likewise many, yet thus shall they be cut down, when he shall pass through. Though I have afflicted thee, I will afflict thee no more. 1:13 For now will I break his yoke from off thee, and will burst thy bonds in sunder.

Nah 1:14 ( to anti-Word of God) And the LORD hath given a commandment concerning thee, that no more of thy name be sown: out of the house of thy gods will I cut off the graven image and the molten image: I will make thy grave; for thou art vile. ( Rev 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone…Satan is then rendered speechless, but able to deceive with the knowledge of good and evil and later..Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.)

Nah 1:15 ( to us ) Behold upon the mountains the feet of him that bringeth good tidings ( restoration to us of the Word of God in/as Christ, Jesus Christ as the Word/Speech of that glad tidings/gospel), that publisheth peace! O Judah, keep thy solemn feasts, perform thy vows: for the wicked shall no more pass through thee; he is utterly cut off.

Again, Creating Speech that is God to non-creating speech/anti-Word of God, language speaking to language as spirits:

Isaiah 47:8-15 Therefore hear now this, thou that art given to pleasures, that dwellest carelessly, that sayest in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me; I shall not sit as a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children: 47:9 But these two things shall come to thee in a moment in one day, the loss of children, and widowhood: they shall come upon thee in their perfection for the multitude of thy sorceries, and for the great abundance of thine enchantments. 47:10 For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me. Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee; and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me. 47:11 Therefore shall evil come upon thee; thou shalt not know from whence it riseth: and mischief shall fall upon thee; thou shalt not be able to put it off: and desolation shall come upon thee suddenly, which thou shalt not know. 47:12 Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast laboured from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail. 47:13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee. 47:14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it. 47:15 Thus shall they be unto thee with whom thou hast laboured, even thy merchants, from thy youth: they shall wander every one to his quarter; none shall save thee.

Note anti-Christ as speech saying “I Am and none else beside me”..(which is exactly what God Says of Himself, and the man of sin will say of himself) ..and its slaves/fallen man think is the case: just one big language in total reality that God, Satan and Man share that has the peculiar quality of not being able to create anything. You know you can’t create by speaking or no one would starve. They would just say “food appear” the way God said “Let there be light”. But we can’t do that because of the powerlessness of what is now “human speech”..that seeks to cover up its nature as powerless ( so none see it ) by falsely accusing Man of having a ‘free will’ but ignorant of how to use it constantly and so can’t create anything. It speaks the lie of free will to distract Man from speech itself.

Fallen Man is deceived human language isn’t one big spirit that is the enemy of their soul and life and the root of death:

( James 3:3 Behold, we put bits in the horses’ mouths, that they may obey us; and we turn about their whole body. 3:4 Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth. 3:5 Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth! 3:6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell. 3:7 For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind:3:8 But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. )

..but is one big tool, in the lie of free will, “used” by a multitude of supposed independent thinkers and speakers, and from within which one can speak truth ( always as a what, not a Whom..Jesus Christ ) or lies and the same speech “that God has to use to talk to man”. They fear human language but cannot speak or articulate that fear excepting in terms dictated by their speech/enemy to misdirect that fear while keeping it intact. They fear other speakers but don’t know why while it sleeps with them, eats with them and is their physical thoughts as a spirit. When it is finally killed, they will then, unless regenerated by God in new birth inside Christ, be cast into the lake of fire, speechless and thus do “weeping and knashing of teeth” not “weeping and complaints”.

Note who is speechless and what happens to him:

Matthew 22:11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:22:12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? AND HE WAS SPEECHLESS. 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

The utility of the lie of free will to cover the existence of anti-Word of God as human speech multiplies the fear of Man for Man. In fact the fear you fear so much is just one spirit speaking through many, not many speaking thoughts they just happened to self-manufacture out of nothing that can’t create anything but a false accusation.

Back to the Garden:

God curses the earth for the sake of Man, which seems odd. Man trespassed, even though at the command of God ..

(Romans 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth. 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?)

Genesis 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 3:18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 3:19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return…

…the ground was cursed specifically to grow certain plants and not others so as to avoid the earth listening to the Man’s voice now that he had anti-Word of God. Thorns and thistles grew instead of ..whatever else ..and then became symbols of protection ( a hedge of thorns to keep in or out, etc.. ) for men. Man’s house, now become the house of anti-Word of God was cursed to die specifically as returning to dust, not as “an inevitable rule of physics” but as protection in its own way of Man and destruction of the house of anti-Word of God/anti-Christ.

Short addendum:

language speaking to language AND people and languages physically bowing to an idol:

Daniel 3:4-7 Then an herald cried aloud, To you it is commanded, O people, nations, AND LANGUAGES, 3:5 That at what time ye hear the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, dulcimer, and all kinds of musick, ye fall down and worship the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king hath set up: 3:6 And whoso falleth not down and worshippeth shall the same hour be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace. 3:7 Therefore at that time, when all the people heard the sound of the cornet, flute, harp, sackbut, psaltery, and all kinds of musick, all the people, the nations, AND THE LANGUAGES, fell down and worshipped the golden image that Nebuchadnezzar the king had set up.

Dan_4:1 Nebuchadnezzar the king, unto all people, nations, AND LANGUAGES, —that dwell— in all the earth; Peace be multiplied unto you.

That all languages will serve Christ:

Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

Dan 7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, AND LANGUAGES, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

What language are you inside of right now? Will you survive the death of human speech/anti-Word of God/noncreating speech and what will you say? Will you be speechless and join it in the lake of fire or be inside Christ/Word of God?

Notice these truths are easy to understand. Do not be deceived by human speech habits of making learning difficult to think of it as “too simple”. Look and see, discern the spirit or Spirit in you now as God gives grace to do it in you on your behalf without any of your idealized “free will”. Ask the spirit in you and others “has Jesus Christ come in flesh?” If it denies the physical Incarnation of the Word of God, our former and then restored native Speech, cast them out without mercy as God does it in you and through you.

1John 4:1-6 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Jesus Christ has come in flesh.

Notes for study:

The repercussions of the death and resurrection of the Word/Speech of God.

God silent toward the Word of God as it died “My God, My God, why hast thou forsaken me?” “You are silent toward me..” ..can’t answer without speech and won’t create another for the purpose.

Much more could be written, but the main points have been established.

Peace and grace from God in Christ to you.

Inside the Name Jesus Christ, Amen