I make a point of pointing out when posts and answers are removed because Satan always like to say “my questions were not answered so you must not be able to..” after he has removed what was answered to make it appear his objections to Reformed Theology were unanswerable and so Reformed Theology must have weaknesses. It is a standard tactic. AOL essentially destroyed itself to get rid of all the “Christian websites”..so there are a LOT of missing posts, “violations of terms of service” and such going on right now as suppression of Christian doctrine. I’m not here on this earth to play nice as a Christian.
The poster said they were ‘confused about some things’ and asked if anyone could provide some clarification to his points.
His points were that Reformed Theolgy/Calvinism makes several assumptions:
- Not all humans are God’s children.
Answer: There is such a thing as transhumanism going on and has been going on and what appears to be another version of you with physical distinctions is not you at all. God made the point that Noah was perfect in His generations..he was fully Man and destroyed the rest.
Proverbs 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil.
2. God doesn’t love everyone the same
Answer:
Isaiah 41:21 Produce your cause, saith the LORD; bring forth your strong reasons, saith the King of Jacob. 41:22 Let them bring them forth, and shew us what shall happen: let them shew the former things, what they be, that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare us things for to come. 41:23 Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods: yea, do good, or do evil, that we may be dismayed, and behold it together. 41:24 Behold, ye are of nothing, and your work of nought: an abomination is he that “chooseth” you. ( edit mine to add quotes )
Mark 6:11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
Romans 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
That’s one truth of the situation:
another is that it is not necessary for God to ‘hate’ His Own creation, but in love to destroy it the way you have to kill a dog ( think Old Yeller ) when it gets rabies and yet God has made those people to be filled with madness “so that” they cannot repent ‘to make His power known”. I think it is a case of no one else is able to be that strong with their heart except God to separate the good from the evil, to do what it takes for the good of all.
But yet again, God makes obvious His disdain for and justice against THE certain set of people in the midst of general population all of whom have sinned and fall short of the glory of God and all of whom need to be saved by telling one group of people the truth of His parables and purposefully hiding that truth from the other set of people in that same population:
Luke 8:10 And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.
2 Thess 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
The reprobate do not ..receive.. as a gift from God, so He never intended to give it to them… the love of the Truth which IS the Love that God is because God is Truth and God is Love and God is One in Trinity. They are pre-planned vessel made to contain the wrath of God so that that same wrath does not destroy us. We as elect are highly favored.
Perhaps you will notice that the accusation that God doesn’t love everyone the same as an untrue thing always comes from the same group of people that need the lie of human free will to sell that exact discontent against God ‘if He doesn’t give everybody the same gifts’. In their lie, God gave everyone free will …and yet.. to say God doesn’t give everyone the exact same gifts and Himself as Love wouldn’t be fair. In short most among them wish a no judgement scenario, that God is just going to say “oh, heck. All that stuff I said about commands and judgment and the lake of fire..just forget that.” At best, others among them want a judgement scenario that solely depends on an idealized freedom to choose anytime anywhere under any circumstance another truth than God IS that will empower them and make them safe against God’s wrath in some other way than what God has ordained. They have not received a love of God as Truth at all because He didn’t give it to them.
In our own society and all through history, who has done the worst crimes against men? It’s always those who claim freedom of will: Hitler’s book Mein Kampf was filled with “free will” justifications for his war. Stalin, Pol pot, Mao, all the rest throughout history thought of themselves as people of destiny..with a free will. So the “love” argument isn’t just about “making God look perfect” to a person who is deceived they have free will and to make them want to ‘choose Jesus’, its about maintaining that deception that the unregenerate heart, ( the old ( for new creatures in Jesus Christ but the only ..) heart of the flesh ( for the reprobate ) that God strictly warns us against ) is the final arbiter of what love actually is and etiquette that should accompany any feelings and actions. The argument is there, just as a supposed selling point of the lie of free will itself. But what does God say of the heart that the wicked are appealing to in order to make God as He is look bad to an idealized “choosier”:
Jeremiah17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
The thing they are supposedly ‘loving with’ needs to be replaced to know that Love is not a what, it is a who and He is God. They do the same lie with truth in calling it a “what” instead of Whom/Jesus Christ.
points 3 and 4 are essentially the same and only there to supposedly further intensify the emotional effect of points 1 and 2: But..
Romans 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, 9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Psalm 4:3 But know that the LORD hath set apart him that is godly for himself: the LORD will hear when I call unto him.
Jude 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
So, a free willer might say, “I’m not saying no one is going to hell. I’m just saying its their own fault if they do.” That’s not what God says..and one of the reasons God doesn’t say that but in every way tells us what to do as He dwells within us is to keep us from being slaves to every self-styled preacher and priest with them myriad of lies about ‘how to be saved’ and how to live an idealized Christian life the way they say to live it: to keep us from being slaves to men and human speech. In the same Truth, God disciplines us to keep us away from a self discipline that deceives as evidence He directs all things in our life. ..and give us a warning about that exact thing:
2Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. 2:3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
..while the wicked think God is obligated to save them if they toss Him what they consider to be a few emotional pennies every now and again.
again:
Isa 8:12 Say ye not, A confederacy, to all them to whom this people shall say, A confederacy; neither fear ye their fear, nor be afraid.
Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.
You will find on this board some who do not have an agenda to confuse or confound or go around the issue of the Love of God or the Fear of God or anything else in defense of the Truth, Jesus Christ before the lying common sense of the lie of free will.
The whole “God is a God of Love! so Calvinism and Reformed Theology can’t be true” is made by people who have no right to assume reprobation about themselves but do anyway as anti-Christ does it in them. They seek to equate the state of creatures who cannot be saved such as Lucifer, demons, fallen angels and the like with Man when they are not equivalent. They hear some are going to the lake of fire and for some strange reason, in public as theatrically as possible, play the part of the poor soul whom God has condemned as one of the wicked..over and over and over…on the supposed behalf of others who are the same when in fact they have no say in it and don’t know that they will always have the same heart and common sense they have now. Paul is an example of a former self-styled expert being forced to change ( edit: forcibly changed ) by God.
It doesn’t make sense for Christ Jesus as Truth to say this as Creating Speech unless some do not and will not have the ears necessary to hear Him:
Matthew 13:9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
..and that whole truth of this post as God has written it through me doesn’t even get into the difference between God as Word/Creating Speech/Jesus Christ and the common sense of why say certain things in a speech that creates what is says versus the purpose of speech of a speech that cannot create even one thing..anti-Christ or that the purpose of advertising the free willer false version of God as a superior “Love God” is to later blame the victims of that deception for not loving God enough unless they do exactly as the false prophets, wicked musicians, wicked singers, false preachers and false priests demand.
Proverbs 3:5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding. 3:6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths. 3:7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.
Proverbs 28:26 He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered.
In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen