The Fall of Man
The Gospel of Jesus Christ : Saved Out of Human Speech
Continued:
The part where I said “more on that later”? That part concerned the Fall of Man and who is saying words in which speech and how man came to speak the serpent speech as his native language.
First, let’s get something out of the way: the common lie that Adam “chose” to have sin in his flesh; to revolt against God. That lie is almost universal among the various sects of Christendom. It is a necessary lie in order to make the lie of human free will seem logical and ancient, so that the mere supposed ancestry of the lie would place some religious fairy dust on it and make it true. But: it is a logical assumption from within the sin and the human speech that is now universal. Like all sins, after the act, the attempt to retrace the act in order to reverse the effects is impossible: not only is the understanding to do so lost, but the nature of sin ( it is a living creature ) in that it has a will of its own ( that is not free ) makes it such that blood must be shed so that you can be saved from sin and human speech.
Hebrews 9:22 and almost all things are purified with blood according to the law, and without blood-shedding there is no remission.
The common definition of sin as “an act done in free will”, ( or as an act at all ), such an “act” being forbidden by God immediately plays to the deception of free will within the limitations of human speech. That God would require blood to be shed, and Namely His Own blood in order to save us from sin and the wrath to come on sin and sinners is nonsensical if sin is a mere ‘act’. If sin were just an act you did when you wanted to, then why wouldn’t an equivalent act made to supposedly have opposite moral consequences “make up for” or reverse the effects? Because such an attempt, according to God is insufficient AND a continuing sign of revolt against Him.
Isaiah 29:10-16 For Jehovah hath poured out upon you a spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes; the prophets and your chiefs, the seers, hath he covered. And the whole vision is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which they give to one that can read, saying, Read this, I pray thee; and he saith, I cannot, for it is sealed. And they give the book to him that cannot read, saying, Read this, I pray thee; and he saith, I cannot read. And the Lord saith, Forasmuch as this people draw near with their mouth, and honour me with their lips, but their heart is removed far from me, and their fear of me is a commandment taught of men; therefore, behold, I will proceed to do marvellously with this people, to do marvellously, even with wonder, and the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their intelligent ones shall be hid. Woe unto them that hide deep, far from Jehovah, their counsel! And their works are in the dark, and they say, Who seeth us? and who knoweth us? Oh your perverseness! –Shall the potter be esteemed as the clay, so that the work should say of him that made it, He made me not; or the thing formed say of him that formed it, He hath no understanding?
Hosea 5:11,12 Ephraim is oppressed and broken in judgment, because he willingly walked after the commandment. Therefore will I be unto Ephraim as a moth, and to the house of Judah as rottenness.
1Samuel 15:22,23 And Samuel said, Has Jehovah delight in burnt-offerings and sacrifices, As in hearkening to the voice of Jehovah? Behold, obedience is better than sacrifice, Attention than the fat of rams. For rebellion is as the sin of divination, And selfwill is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of Jehovah, He hath also rejected thee from being king.
But according to all worldly free-will/self-will based religions, an “act” with an idealized opposite moral effect explicitly “balances out” a supposed debit/deposit system of reckoning who is Just and Righteous and who is not that God must recognize whether He wants to or not.
God is lying or they are lying and God cannot lie because He IS His Own Word/
Speech.
John 1:1-5 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
The worldly/self-willed/free-willed based religions are the darkness that never comprehends the light of the Word of God/Jesus Christ.
The whole lie of ‘karma’ is based explicitly on such a notion of ‘balancing out’ a debt of evil acts to be repaid/reversed by good acts, with the subtle lie of never explicitly defining what is a good or bad act..no set of laws wherein are defined limits of behavior. Instead of being standalone religions themselves, karmic religions are symbiots as living spirits, (as are all false religions..they are in some form or fashion reactions against other false religions ) that rely on surrounding / competing religions
to give its own adherents an implied moral code/emotional prison in which to navigate their location in any given instant on the path to whatever version of paradise they have been given.
But God demonstrates that sin is a living creature by telling Cain, that it was waiting for him.
Genesis 4:3-7 And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD. And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering: But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell. And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
God also demonstrates that sin is a living creature through Paul, as He speaks through Paul:
Romans 7:14-25 For we know that the law is spiritual: but *I* am fleshly, sold under sin. For that which I do, I do not own: for not what I will, this I do; but what I hate, this I practise. But if what I do not will, this I practise, I consent to the law that it is right. Now then it is no longer *I* that do it, but the sin that dwells in me. For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, good does not dwell: for to will is there with me, but to do right I find not. For I do not practise the good that I will; but the evil I do not will, that I do. But if what *I* do not will, this I practise, it is no longer *I* that do it, but the sin that dwells in me. I find then the law upon *me* who will to practise what is right, that with *me* evil is there. For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man: but I see another law in my members, warring in opposition to the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which exists in my members. O wretched man that I am ! who shall deliver me out of this body of death? I thank God, through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then *I* *myself* with the mind serve God’s law; but with the flesh sin’s law.
Sin dwells/lives in our flesh and has a will of its own, that by the command of God, CANNOT be subject to God’s law or ‘do’ what God Says.
Romans 8:6-9 For the mind of the flesh is death; but the mind of the Spirit life and peace. Because the mind of the flesh is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God; for neither indeed can it be: and they that are in flesh cannot please God. But *ye* are not in flesh but in Spirit, if indeed God’s Spirit dwell in you; but if any one has not the Spirit of Christ *he* is not of him:
Sin has a mind that is against the mind of Christ and it is death and enmity against God.
It is impossible then that Sin, the living creature would do a ‘good’ act to ‘balance out’ some previous bad act because the ‘good’ is with respect to God’s commands and Sin cannot do God’s commands.
So, in the Garden of Eden, prior to the Fall of Man, we have Eve approaching the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil which is the only fruit in the whole Garden of Eden Adam and Eve are specifically prohibited to eat:
Genesis 2:16,17 And Jehovah Elohim commanded Man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou shalt freely eat; but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou eatest of it thou shalt certainly die.
Note several things here: God did not say “if you eat of it, you will die”, He Said “On the day..”, “when” you eat of it..you will die. Up until that time, pre-Incarnate Christ was the Speech of Man. Note that one aspect of the character of Christ as the Word of God is that He IS Creating Speech. Whatever God Says is immediately created after His Speaking ( as opposed to serpent speech/human speech/Belial which can create nothing.)
Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light. And there was light.
Matthew 8:5-13 And when he had entered into Capernaum, a centurion came to him, beseeching him, and saying, Lord, my servant lies paralytic in the house, suffering grievously. And Jesus says to him, *I* will come and heal him. And the centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not fit that thou shouldest enter under my roof; but only speak a word, and my servant shall be healed. For *I* also am a man under authority, having under me soldiers, and I say to this one , Go, and he goes; and to another, Come, and he comes; and to my bondman, Do this, and he does it. And when Jesus heard it, he wondered, and said to those who followed, Verily I say unto you, Not even in Israel have I found so great faith. But I say unto you, that many shall come from the rising and setting sun , and shall lie down at table with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of the heavens; but the sons of the kingdom shall be cast out into the outer darkness: there shall be the weeping and the gnashing of teeth. And Jesus said to the centurion, Go, and as thou hast believed, be it to thee. And his servant was healed in that hour.
John 11:41-44 They took therefore the stone away. And Jesus lifted up his eyes on high and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me; but I knew that thou always hearest me; but on account of the crowd who stand around I have said it , that they may believe that thou hast sent me. And having said this, he cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth. And the dead came forth, bound feet and hands with graveclothes, and his face was bound round with a handkerchief. Jesus says to them, Loose him and let him go.
Jesus Christ IS that Word of God, now in a physical/incarnate form, having risen from the dead. But prior to His death and resurrection, He declared Himself to be the Wiord of God.
John 8:24-25 I said therefore to you, that ye shall die in your sins; for unless ye shall believe that I am he , ye shall die in your sins. They said therefore to him, Who art thou? And Jesus said to them, Altogether that which I also say to you.
From within the serpent speak/non-creating speech/Belial/human speech that can create nothing and which then has no expectation of power and from within the resulting common sense of that Sin in their flesh, the Sin in them asks the Word of God seemingly (to them and all those like before and afterwards on the earth as human beings ) on the behalf of a religious/pious curiosity that is self-derived from a free will and from within the lies that Sin is an “act”, human beings have free will and “language” is a tool that God, Satan and men use equivalently to express free willed, self-derived thoughts, Sin asks who the Word of God is with the expectation of getting an answer that will fit in at least one of those deceptions even if it has bad emotional consequences. Instead, God as Word very, very plainly declares Himself as the Word of God by Saying basically “I AM WHAT I SAY”. “
Sin / Serpent Speech from within fallen man to God as Word: Who are you?
God as Word: “Altogether that which I say to you.” (not just “that which I say”, but “say to YOU.”, the “you” being the fallen human beings. THEY didn’t know Him, but the serpent speech did know Him…)
Mark 1:23-27 And there was in their synagogue a man possessed by an unclean spirit, and he cried out saying, Eh! what have we to do with thee, Jesus, Nazarene? Art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the holy one of God. And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace and come out of him. And the unclean spirit, having torn him, and uttered a cry with a loud voice, came out of him. And all were amazed, so that they questioned together among themselves, saying, What is this? what new doctrine is this? for with authority he commands even the unclean spirits, and they obey him.
But Christ, as Jesus was born long after the Fall of Man. Prior to that, He was the Word of God without a body. Because God Says in the Psalms:
of those to be saved by hearing the Word of God:
Psalm 40:6 Sacrifice and oblation thou didst not desire: ears hast thou prepared me. Burnt-offering and sin-offering hast thou not demanded;
but as regarding the Word of God Himself:
Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
But in His, the Word of God’s, pre-body form, He was still the Word of God, though not-yet Jesus, because He had not been born in the body that was prepared for Him. As the Word of God, He was the native Speech of Adam. And when Adam Said of Eve:
Genesis 2:23,24 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
..it was actually God as Word Who Spoke, making it an act of creating speech, ..God Spoke the Fall of Man into being prior to its happening. That Same Word of God explicitly recalls to their minds that it was He, the Word of God who had spoken through Adam:
Matthew 19:3-6 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause? And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
For nothing was made that was made without Christ/Word of God:
John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
So we know that pre-Jesus, but Christ and the Word of God, Spoke into being that Man would depart from his father –God–, and would cleave to his wife. Then we are shown the circumstances as to how it happened.
Eve knew only the Word of God as her and Adam’s Speech. It was all she had ever heard. How was she to know that the speech of the serpent was a living spirit that could create nothing and in which was the only possibility to hear something she was not familiar with called a “lie”..because God cannot lie. In God as Word, she heard no lies. And this new speech she heard she did not know as to its name of character ( and she may not have known that God IS His Word ) but knew that it was directly attacking the Word of God and calling the Word of God a liar. She is forbidden to do “an act” by the Word of God and has no suspicion that a spirit will enter her against her own will simply by hearing it and do that act while hiding its own nature so that she gets the blame. ( a situation afterward called the natural state of man) .
Genesis 3:1-6 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
God Says they will die if they eat the fruit He has forbidden them to eat—if they disobey His Word, and the only way to disobey His Word is be outside of it. The serpent says God has lied and they will not die—that it is possible to disobey God and still have God as Word. Essentially that it is impossible to get outside the Word of God, a half-truth. God encompasses all of total reality, so you can’t get outside of Him in that regard, but there is good and evil within that total reality and the Fall of Man demonstrated what happens when you are not IN God as Word as opposed to being in non-creating speech/Belial/serpent speech/human speech.
The serpent has serpent speech, which in no way equates death with a separation from the Word of God, “in whom is life, and that life was the light of men”. The serpent speech and the living creature that is Sin, hates God and “Romans 8:7 .. it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. “
The first thing it does in Eve’s flesh is disobey God simply to make a point of disobeying God.
But after Eve eats the fruit, MAN has not yet Fallen because Adam was Man. They are not yet one flesh because Adam has not yet left His father and cleaved to his wife. The woman was deceived, but Adam was not as God explicitly Says:
1Timothy 2:13,14 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
But God also had already Said as His Own Word through Adam, that Adam would leave His father and cleave to His wife. God cannot lie because He IS His Word and creates what He Says.
So: Adam did not “chose” to Fall. God ordained it and Spoke that Fall into existence for the express purpose of demonstrating total reality to Man and to make Man His witnesses that He alone is God:
Isaiah 43:9-13 Let all the nations be gathered together, and let the peoples be assembled: who among them declareth this, or causeth us to hear former things? let them bring forth their witnesses, that they may be justified; or let them hear, and say, It is truth. Ye are my witnesses, saith Jehovah, and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am HE: before me there was no *God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, I am Jehovah; and besides me there is no saviour. It is I that have declared, and have saved, and have shewed, when there was no strange god among you; and ye are my witnesses, saith Jehovah, that I am *God. Yea, since the day was, I am HE, and there is none that delivereth out of my hand: I will work, and who shall hinder it?
Romans 9:18-24 So then, to whom he will he shews mercy, and whom he will he hardens. Thou wilt say to me then, Why does he yet find fault? for who resists his purpose? Aye, but thou, O man, who art *thou* that answerest again to God? Shall the thing formed say to him that has formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Or has not the potter authority over the clay, out of the same lump to make one vessel to honour, and another to dishonour? And if God, minded to shew his wrath and to make his power known, endured with much long-suffering vessels of wrath fitted for destruction; and that he might make known the riches of his glory upon vessels of mercy, which he had before prepared for glory, us, whom he has also called, not only from amongst the Jews, but also from amongst the nations?
We would never have a complete understanding of God if we were all kickin’ back in the Garden of Eden. God has made the world the way it is to show us Himself as Almighty, and as Justness and as Equity and Beauty and Love, as Savior and Ultimate Warrior through Himself as Word.
Adam and Eve died in that they went both from having the Word of God in them as their native speech and thus having the source of all life in them and from a state of immortality that they had because God as Word was formerly in them to one of mortality and eventually died. By having the serpent speak as their now-native language, men have Fallen from their first estate/being into a mortal one that ends in death from which they cannot escape by themselves.
James 3:4-18 Behold also the ships, which are so great, and driven by violent winds, are turned about by a very small rudder, wherever the pleasure of the helmsman will. Thus also the tongue is a little member, and boasts great things. See how little a fire, how large a wood it kindles! and the tongue is fire, the world of unrighteousness; the tongue is set in our members, the defiler of the whole body, and which sets fire to the course of nature, and is set on fire of hell. For every species both of beasts and of birds, both of creeping things and of sea animals, is tamed and has been tamed by the human species; but the tongue can no one among men tame; it is an unsettled evil, full of death-bringing poison. Therewith bless we the Lord and Father, and therewith curse we men made after the likeness of God. Out of the same mouth goes forth blessing and cursing. It is not right, my brethren, that these things should be thus. Does the fountain, out of the same opening, pour forth sweet and bitter? Can, my brethren, a fig produce olives, or a vine figs? Neither can salt water make sweet water. Who is wise and understanding among you; let him shew out of a good conversation his works in meekness of wisdom; but if ye have bitter emulation and strife in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth. This is not the wisdom which comes down from above, but earthly, natural, devilish. For where emulation and strife are , there is disorder and every evil thing. But the wisdom from above first is pure, then peaceful, gentle, yielding, full of mercy and good fruits, unquestioning, unfeigned. But the fruit of righteousness in peace is sown for them that make peace.
In salvation, God Speaks to us, opens our ears to hear Him and dwells in us afterward as our native Speech once again. We only await a body perfected via death and resurrection in which to dwell in a body at present in which Sin and Serpent Speak/Anti-Christ/non-creating speeech/human speech dwells along with us but as a separate creature than us. In Christ/Word of God we have peace, even now.
Psalm 31:19-24 Oh how great is thy goodness, which thou hast laid up for them that fear thee, which thou hast wrought for them that trust in thee, before the sons of men! Thou keepest them concealed in the secret of thy presence from the conspiracies of man; thou hidest them in a pavilion from the strife of tongues. Blessed be Jehovah; for he hath shewn me wondrously his loving-kindness in a strong city. As for me, I said in my haste, I am cut off from before thine eyes; nevertheless thou heardest the voice of my supplications when I cried unto thee. Love Jehovah, all ye his saints. Jehovah preserveth the faithful, and plentifully requiteth the proud doer. Be strong, and let your heart take courage, all ye that hope in Jehovah.
Adam was cut off from before the eyes of the Lord, but God sent His Son, Word in the body of the Christ, Jesus to pray for us and thus hears The Adam as our prayers. When the Holy Spirit prays for us also on our behalf, God considers it no different than if we had prayed because He is both the Speech of the Holy Spirit and our Speech..the living, almighty God, Word of God, Jesus Christ.
Romans 8:23-28 And not only that , but even *we* ourselves, who have the first-fruits of the Spirit, we also ourselves groan in ourselves, awaiting adoption, that is the redemption of our body. For we have been saved in hope; but hope seen is not hope; for what any one sees, why does he also hope? But if what we see not we hope, we expect in patience. And in like manner the Spirit joins also its help to our weakness; for we do not know what we should pray for as is fitting, but the Spirit itself makes intercession with groanings which cannot be uttered. But he who searches the hearts knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because he intercedes for saints according to God. But we *do* know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to purpose.
So, no longer in human speech, but in Christ, by the blood of Christ, God as Word prays for us all appropriate prayers each in its time for us all, a thing not possible in human speech and its resulting false religions. No matter what a natural/fallen man prays, he or she is not heard by God because they do not have the Christ as Speech.
Matthew 6:7-13 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as those who are of the nations: for they think they shall be heard through their much speaking. Be not ye therefore like them, for your Father knows of what things ye have need before ye beg anything of him.
Thus therefore pray *ye*: Our Father who art in the heavens, let thy name be sanctified,
let thy kingdom come, let thy will be done as in heaven so upon the earth; give us to-day our needed bread, and forgive us our debts, as we also forgive our debtors, and lead us not into temptation, but save us from evil.
In the Name of Jesus Christ, Amen